Legislature(1997 - 1998)

04/23/1997 08:12 AM Senate FIN

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                             MINUTES                                           
                    SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                   
                          23 April 1997                                        
                            8:12 a.m.                                          
                                                                               
  TAPES                                                                        
                                                                               
  SFC-97, #123, Side 1 (000 - 592)                                             
           123, Side 2 (592 - 000)                                             
           124, Side 1 (000 - 592)                                             
           124, Side 2 (592 - 490)                                             
                                                                               
                                                                               
  CALL TO ORDER                                                                
                                                                               
  Senator Bert  Sharp,  Co-chairman, convened  the meeting  at                 
  approximately 8:12 a.m.                                                      
                                                                               
                                                                               
  PRESENT                                                                      
                                                                               
  In  addition  to   Co-chairman  Sharp,  Senators   Phillips,                 
  Torgerson, Parnell and  Adams were present when  the meeting                 
  convened.   Senators Donley and Pearce  arrived respectively                 
  shortly thereafter.                                                          
                                                                               
  ALSO ATTENDING:   Elmer Lindstrom, Special Assistant  to the                 
  Commissioner, Department of Health and Social Services; Gary                 
  Paskan, Alaska  State Hospital and Nursing Home Association;                 
  Gayle Wolf, staff to Representative  Con Bunde; Dugan Petty,                 
  Director of General Services,  Department of Administration;                 
  Richard Thaler,  Esq., Seattle, Washington;  Ken E. Kincaid,                 
  Real Estate  Consultant, Anchorage, Alaska;  Forrest Browne,                 
  Investment  Officer,  Department of  Revenue;  Senator Robin                 
  Taylor; Kevin  Brooks, Director, Division  of Administrative                 
  Services,  Department  of  Fish  and  Game;  Wayne  Regelin,                 
  Director, Division of  Wildlife Conservation, Department  of                 
  Fish and Game;  Kevin Delaney,  Director, Division of  Sport                 
  Fish,  Department  of  Fish  and  Game; aides  to  committee                 
  members and other legislators.                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
  SUMMARY INFORMATION                                                          
                                                                               
                                                                               
       HOUSE BILL NO. 114                                                      
                                                                               
       "An Act relating  to health care data  and registration                 
  of   births."                                                                
                                                                               
  Co-chair Sharp introduced HB  114.  Mr. Elmer  Lindstrom was                 
  invited  to  join the  committee.    He said  this  bill was                 
  important to  the department  so that it  could continue  to                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  receive federal  funds  for  the cancer  program.    It  was                 
  supported by the American Cancer Society.                                    
                                                                               
  Gary  Paskan,   Alaska  State  Hospital   and  Nursing  Home                 
  Association                                                                  
  was invited to join the committee.   He said the Association                 
  supported the bill.                                                          
                                                                               
  Gayle  Wolf,  staff to  Representative  Con Bunde,  said the                 
  sponsor had no changes to the bill.                                          
                                                                               
  Dr.  John Middaugh,  via teleconference  from Anchorage  was                 
  listen in only and stated that he supported the bill.                        
                                                                               
  Senator Torgerson moved amendment  #1 and without  objection                 
  it was adopted.                                                              
                                                                               
  Senator Parnell moved HB 114 with individual recommendations                 
  and accompanying fiscal  notes and without objection  it was                 
  reported out.                                                                
                                                                               
                                                                               
       SENATE BILL NO. 178                                                     
                                                                               
       "An Act giving notice of and approving a lease-purchase                 
       agreement  by the  Department of Administration  for an                 
  office    building in Anchorage;  relating to the  financing                 
  of the    lease-purchase  agreement;  and  providing for  an                 
  effective      date."                                                        
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Co-chair Sharp introduced  SB 178.   Dugan Petty,  Director,                 
  General Services, Department  of Administration was  invited                 
  to join the committee.  He explained the  purchase agreement                 
  and said that  it was subject  to legislative approval.   He                 
  also noted the  analysis attached  to the fiscal  note.   He                 
  explained the  status of  the negotiations  for the  Bank of                 
  American  building  and  also  the  status of  the  Frontier                 
  Building.  There was no alternative to compete with  current                 
  lease space.                                                                 
                                                                               
  Mr. Richard Thaler, Esq., Seattle, Washington was invited to                 
  join the committee.   He said  that based on his  experience                 
  the Bank of  America building would be the  perfect purchase                 
  and  that  it was  a  win/win transaction  for  both parties                 
  included.  There was a $25,955 million cash agreement and he                 
  explained what the purchase would include.  He estimated the                 
  life of the building at 50 - 60 years.                                       
                                                                               
  In response to  a question  from Senator Phillips  regarding                 
  the parking spaces  Mr. Petty  responded that  there were  a                 
  total  of 646 spaces, which included  across the street plus                 
  underground.    He   said  that   79  parking  spaces   were                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  underground.  Senator  Phillips asked  about parking at  the                 
  Frontier Building.  Mr. Petty said they were entitled to 467                 
  spaces but there were over 1,000  spaces available.  It was,                 
  however,  not  their  policy  to  obtain  parking  for  each                 
  employee.  He gave  a short current analysis of  the parking                 
  situation.                                                                   
                                                                               
  Senator Donley asked  about the  appraisal for the  Frontier                 
  building and Mr. Thaler  said that it had been  appraised at                 
  patterns for  the two buildings  and asked for  a comparison                 
  regarding the comfort for the public.                                        
                                                                               
  Mr.  Petty  compared  the  traffic   patterns  for  the  two                 
  buildings.  He also noted  the value of the Bank  of America                 
  building  at $55 million and said it  was a good bargain for                 
  the State in terms of purchase price.                                        
                                                                               
  Mr.  Ken  E.  Kincaid, Real  Estate  Consultant,  Anchorage,                 
  Alaska was invited to join the  committee.  He explained his                 
  experience and background for the committee and said that he                 
  was  a  source authority  in the  office  space market.   He                 
  referred to a  booklet handed  out only to  SFC members  and                 
  noted that  it was developed  by Hunt Trust.   He  noted the                 
  high quality of the  Bank of America building and  the ample                 
  parking.   He said the Department  of Revenue, Department of                 
  Natural Resources  and Human  Services were  already in  the                 
  building.  With reference to a  graph in the booklet he said                 
  the  lower line meant  lower cost as far  as expenses to the                 
  State.     Timing was most  critical to  real estate  and he                 
  explained the risk rate.                                                     
                                                                               
  (Tape #123 switch to side 2.)                                                
                                                                               
  He  explained  the  access traffic  patterns  and  said they                 
  mostly ran  east to  west.    The  downtown would  therefore                 
  remain stable.   In his  opinion the Frontier Building would                 
  be impacted  for traffic  due to  Wal-Mart, Eagle  Hardware,                 
  Home  Depot  and  Marriott  Hotel going  in  downtown.   The                 
  private sector viewed  the purchase of  the Bank of  America                 
  building as a superb deal.                                                   
                                                                               
  Mr. Petty referred to  page 16 attached to the  fiscal note.                 
  A lease saving for  the year 2000 was reflected  at $602,604                 
  thousand.   There was  miscellaneous discussion  between Mr.                 
  Kincaid and other SFC  members as to commute time.   Senator                 
  Phillips said he felt  it was difficult to get  downtown for                 
  8:00  a.m.   Mr. Petty said  they have met  the standard for                 
  parking  they were looking for as show  on the aerial map in                 
  Mr. Kincaid's report.                                                        
                                                                               
  Senator  Torgerson asked  what the  Governor's position  was                 
  regarding  purchase of the Bank of  America building and Mr.                 
  Petty said the Governor had not taken a position.                            
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Senator  Parnell  raised  a  concern  of   his  constituents                 
  regarding the competitive process.  He said there were three                 
  options  available and  wanted  to  know  if the  State  was                 
  getting a good deal in all that was available or only on the                 
  building.  Mr.  Petty said according to  procurement law the                 
  purchase of the building made good  economic sense.  He felt                 
  this deal was  too good to pass  up.  The oil  companies may                 
  have space available but they were  unable to get their arms                 
  around anything.                                                             
                                                                               
  Senator Phillips asked how they  would take care of  tenants                 
  currently in the building.  Mr. Petty said that not everyone                 
  has to leave  the building.   Mr. Thaler further noted  that                 
  the State will honor the existing leases.  A minor amount of                 
  the leases will expire  in the year 2000.  The State already                 
  occupies  60,000  feet  in  the  building.    He  noted  the                 
  following reasons for  buying out all remaining leases:   1.                 
  to occupy the  building completely; and  2.  to qualify  for                 
  tax exemptions.   Senator Phillips asked if  they had spoken                 
  to everyone  leasing in  the building.   He said this  was a                 
  business  decision  and not  a  political one.    Mr. Thaler                 
  viewed  it  improper  to speak  with  the  tenants  prior to                 
  receiving  approval  to purchase  the  building.   Mr. Petty                 
  acknowledged  that  they had  requested  Bank of  America to                 
  notify the tenants of the possible purchase.                                 
                                                                               
  Co-chair  Sharp  asked  for  an  explanation  regarding  the                 
  lease/purchase agreement.  Mr. Forrest Browne, Department of                 
  Revenue was invited  to join the  committee.   He  explained                 
  the  advantage  of the  particular  lease/purchase agreement                 
  structure.    There were  semi-annual  payments made  to the                 
  trustees.                                                                    
                                                                               
  (Tape changed to #124.)                                                      
                                                                               
  Senator Donley  commented regarding  the parking  situation.                 
  He feared with legislative approval to purchase the building                 
  the Department of Administration would  cut parking in order                 
  to reduce their budget.  Mr.  Petty said the Department felt                 
  good government access was important.                                        
                                                                               
  Randy Welker, Legislative  Auditor, Division of  Legislative                 
  Audit was invited  to join the committee.  He  referred to a                 
  memorandum dated 23 April 1997 and said the deal was clearly                 
  in  the  State's interest.   The  analysis  was fair  and if                 
  anything were to go wrong it would be the timing.  There was                 
  not a significant cost factor.                                               
                                                                               
  Co-chair Pearce set aside SB 178.                                            
                                                                               
                                                                               
       SENATE BILL NO. 16                                                      
                                                                               
                                                                               
       "An Act restricting the use  of certain funds deposited                 
  in the    fish and game fund; and relating to the powers and                 
  duties of      the commissioner of fish and game."                           
                                                                               
  Senator Robin  Taylor, sponsor of  the bill, was  invited to                 
  join  the  committee.   He referred  briefly to  his sponsor                 
  statement.      The  State  must  quit  taking   money  from                 
  consumptive users (subsistence) and then  use that money for                 
  other   non-consumptive   purposes.      He  explained   the                 
  frustration on  behalf of  State Fish  and Game  biologists.                 
  These were good  people wanting to good  job.  There was  no                 
  need for more  funds to  be earmarked for  yet another  wolf                 
  study.   Classified program receipts and monies must be used                 
  specifically for the  program designated.  He  compared that                 
  to the same as sport and  commercial fishing.  Senator Adams                 
  felt the  legislation was not  necessary.   The majority  of                 
  hunting is in rural Alaska.   He said the legislature should                 
  not  manage  resource  but  rather  take all  concerns  into                 
  consideration.  Co-chair Sharp concurred with Senator Adams.                 
  He asked how much  money was being spent to  manage wildlife                 
  in  areas  inaccessible.   Senator  Taylor agreed  with both                 
  Senator Adams  and Co-chair  Sharp.     Resources should  be                 
  managed for abundance  not for scarcity.   He said he  would                 
  support any amendments offered by Senator Adams.                             
                                                                               
  Kevin Brooks, Director, Division of Administrative Services,                 
  Department  of  Fish  and  Game  was  invited  to  join  the                 
  committee.  He said the main  concern was for federal funds.                 
  Mr. Wayne Regelin was also invited  to join the committee to                 
  answer questions.                                                            
                                                                               
  Kevin Delaney, Director, Division  Sport Fish, Department of                 
  Fish and Game was invited to join  the committee.  He looked                 
  at the  contents of proposed  SB 16.   He noted  some points                 
  that bothered him as  manager.  If  a separate BRU for  each                 
  project had to be established it  would be necessary to come                 
  to the legislature for each one.                                             
                                                                               
  Co-chair Sharp continued SB 16 and  the rest of the calendar                 
  until 5:30 p.m.                                                              
                                                                               
                                                                               
  ADJOURNMENT                                                                  
                                                                               
  Co-chair Sharp recessed until 5:30 p.m.                                      

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